it's a big debate with them because they don't like to and then you have all of wall street looking at this, wondering whether we're going to be able to pay our bills and remember what happened last time around, the markets sold off 2000 points over a two month period. it was very dramatic. and really hurt people's 401(k)'s. >> harris: well, if you can't pay your bills you get a downgrade and we've seen that we could get our credit downgraded. >> again, again, that's the not good news. because you know what happens when you have a low credit rating, you can't borrow as much money. >> harris: that's what happens-- it costs you more to borrow and that's the trouble with that and all this have coming together, it could be, it could be a tough open for the new york stock exchange tomorrow morning. we'll be watching closely. none of this comes as a surprise to professional traders who have been watching this for weeks, with selloffs in the market every single day last week, so they know what's happening, know what's going on. it's not a surprise, but nobody likes to see it when we're having